over each other] >> his defense lawyer says $10,000 and i don't want him going through that federal correctional facility, because i am afraid that he will get killed or split with a hundred thousand dollar bounty on his head. dispassionately, objectively, if you get caught in the system, it is not the same standard as a criminal trial. you don't have to prove the same thing be one so normally this is late, all right, don't do it again. >> under the probation system, it is not beyond a reasonable doubt. they allow hearsay, and you can go to jail for two or three years for a noncriminal offense. it is very convenient. it is a coincidence at this point of this man is in jail for making a stupid video. is that consistent with the governments being that the video caused the death of the ambassador? >> are we trying to send a message to the people who did this to us? the people who stormed our embassy and raise the black flag of al qaeda? those who murdered our ambassador and three others that we share their outrage? >> the justice department would deny it. the president would time and t